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The alternative to an imperfect world is a world where everything and everyone is perfect from the moment of their inception, with no chance to evolve or grow or learn. This would be a very strange world, indeed -- even stranger, I think, than the one in which we now find ourselvesLeDiplomatique wrote: ↑30 Oct 2019, 00:39 God is all-powerful and all-seeing. He saw the fall of Adam and Eve before it happened. Why didn't He stop it from happening? Why did God create Lucifer being aware of what Lucifer would do to bring chaos to God's perfect world?
Free will had nothing to do with it.Wamakima wrote: ↑04 Nov 2019, 03:31 He created Lucifer at the beginning out of love. However Lucifer made the choice to fall. God did not want to force obedience from his children. And even though he's all seeing it probably speaks much about him since he went on to create us. Then there's an aspect of free will. I am not sure if I have answered you correctly.
I have never thought of it from this perspective before but now that you stated it, I can't agree less.TrueWater wrote: ↑30 Oct 2019, 12:47 I believe and from what I understand from reading the bible that satan didn't create evil, he represented it, caused it, fed it. Evil is the opposite if God. In order to destroy Evil itself forever He had to allow it to be. Jesus defeated evil with Love and in the end evil, the idea of evil, the possibility of being in opposition or absence of God will no longer be. Kind of like, if you keep a child away from the possibility of getting hurt they will never know how to avoid it themselves. If they dont have opportunity to make the wrong choice then the problem in thier heart that causes the wrong choice will never be dealt with.
I have never thought of it from your perspective but now that you stated this, I simply can't agree less.TrueWater wrote: ↑30 Oct 2019, 12:47 I believe and from what I understand from reading the bible that satan didn't create evil, he represented it, caused it, fed it. Evil is the opposite if God. In order to destroy Evil itself forever He had to allow it to be. Jesus defeated evil with Love and in the end evil, the idea of evil, the possibility of being in opposition or absence of God will no longer be. Kind of like, if you keep a child away from the possibility of getting hurt they will never know how to avoid it themselves. If they dont have opportunity to make the wrong choice then the problem in thier heart that causes the wrong choice will never be dealt with.
Jajachris wrote: ↑26 May 2020, 11:34I agree with this. We could never understand righteousness if there was never a choice to sin. God wants a relationship with us based on choice not because there was no other alternative.TrueWater wrote: ↑30 Oct 2019, 12:47 I believe and from what I understand from reading the bible that satan didn't create evil, he represented it, caused it, fed it. Evil is the opposite if God. In order to destroy Evil itself forever He had to allow it to be. Jesus defeated evil with Love and in the end evil, the idea of evil, the possibility of being in opposition or absence of God will no longer be. Kind of like, if you keep a child away from the possibility of getting hurt they will never know how to avoid it themselves. If they dont have opportunity to make the wrong choice then the problem in thier heart that causes the wrong choice will never be dealt with.
I absolutely agree. God created humanity out of the fullness of His love. He loves us so much that He gave us free will. And that's where sin came from. Sin is anything that goes against what God wants for us. Sin is a result of God choosing to let us make our own decisions, which He did for the greater purpose of allowing us to truly choose and love Him back.10mile72 wrote: ↑30 Oct 2019, 14:03The alternative to an imperfect world is a world where everything and everyone is perfect from the moment of their inception, with no chance to evolve or grow or learn. This would be a very strange world, indeed -- even stranger, I think, than the one in which we now find ourselvesLeDiplomatique wrote: ↑30 Oct 2019, 00:39 God is all-powerful and all-seeing. He saw the fall of Adam and Eve before it happened. Why didn't He stop it from happening? Why did God create Lucifer being aware of what Lucifer would do to bring chaos to God's perfect world?