God is perfect: he cannot change, he cannot please or hurt. How so?
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Re: God is perfect: he cannot change, he cannot please or hurt. How so?
Although I do not believe in God, the biblical depiction of God is indeed a "perfect" one because he represents what is considered the highest form of morality, at least in the Christian religion.
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I take the fact that he cannot please or hurt as only one reason why God is perfect. Others include: the accepted notions of omnipotence, omnipresence and omniscience – surely it is ridiculous to imagine that an all-powerful, all-knowing Being can be reasoned with to "change his mind", or offended by our interpretation of what's evil and what's good. Again, God must be perfect as nothing exists outside of Him. He is omnipresent and must therefore be intrinsic of every creation, no matter how lowly. Hilariously, someone argued that during creation the "material" God used for "moulding" the Universe and its contents must have come from within himself, rather than from an outside source.

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God Almighty indeed is perfect. I do think that God can be pleased. For me, pleasing God means doing what God says. God can determine if what we have done is good (pleasing) in fact this demonstrates that he is all-knowing and perfect concerning everything.AnnieOgoo wrote: ↑08 Dec 2020, 06:42 In a bid to explain God's perfection, the author states that;
a. God cannot change
b. He cannot please or hurt.
The reason behind this later conclusion being that: "Admitting the possibility of such would be admitting to an inherent defect in God’s perfection and would completely negate the concept of perfectness. Pleasing him admits to the existence of a pleasure port that is insufficiently filled, a partial void, a defect, and certainly not perfect. Hurting him would admit to the existence of cracks in His armor where noxious agents could penetrate and cause damage eliminating His perfection."
I find the reasons behind this conclusion (that God is perfect) to be unconvincing, even faulty.
Yes, I believe God is perfect, but not because he cannot be pleased or hurt. That would make him an unfeeling God. Perhaps he is perfect because he is the highest authority and the standard for perfection, i.e God is perfect because he is God.
This whole syllogism brings to mind the question, "What is perfection?"
So I ask:
a. Is God perfect because He cannot change, or please or hurt? And;
b. What is perfection?
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These are just a few reasons as to what makes God perfect and in light conveys what perfection is. Being constant and not swayed by the exterior of mankind but by their inner hearts that no one can see but Him, being just and gracious and so many other amazing things, is what perfection is.
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You've definitely explained it best. Having to think about it, I actually kind of believe that we possess that perfection that is too complex to understand, with close proximity to that of God's. I too, believe that God's definition of perfect is different from ours.Katie Canedy wrote: ↑09 Dec 2020, 19:25 I do not think that He cannot be hurt by our actions, but I do believe that He is perfect. God is not affected personally by human concepts such as time, marriage, and conditional love. Perhaps trying to understand God in these areas is a little too complex for us.
Humans have the idea that perfection means that we cannot mess up or commit any sins at all (without error). But I believe that God's definition of perfect is different from ours.

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God is not perfect because He cannot change nor please or hurt although he doesn't need our approval to do something. He hurt but not, please. He hurt when His flocks/children are suffering when they have him.AnnieOgoo wrote: ↑08 Dec 2020, 06:42 In a bid to explain God's perfection, the author states that;
a. God cannot change
b. He cannot please or hurt.
The reason behind this later conclusion is that: "Admitting the possibility of such would be admitting to an inherent defect in God’s perfection and would completely negate the concept of perfectness. Pleasing him admits to the existence of a pleasure port that is insufficiently filled, a partial void, a defect, and certainly not perfect. Hurting him would admit to the existence of cracks in His armor where noxious agents could penetrate and cause damage eliminating His perfection."
I find the reasons behind this conclusion (that God is perfect) to be unconvincing, even faulty.
Yes, I believe God is perfect, but not because he cannot be pleased or hurt. That would make him an unfeeling God. Perhaps he is perfect because he is the highest authority and the standard for perfection, i.e God is perfect because he is God.
This whole syllogism brings to mind the question, "What is perfection?"
So I ask:
a. Is God perfect because He cannot change, please or hurt? And;
b. What is perfection?
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