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Julius_ wrote: 17 May 2019, 08:53 No! Not at all. The book just provoke my thinking and reasonability. Or should i say it "proves my previous instincts right?" anyway i have a strong religious belief that cant be compromised by a single book.
Have you read the Hunger Games? That should at least change something within you.
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Ferdinand_otieno wrote: 17 May 2019, 09:33
Julius_ wrote: 17 May 2019, 08:53 No! Not at all. The book just provoke my thinking and reasonability. Or should i say it "proves my previous instincts right?" anyway i have a strong religious belief that cant be compromised by a single book.
Have you read the Hunger Games? That should at least change something within you.
Thanks for the recomendation. No, i haven't. May i know the author of the book?
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Julius_ wrote: 17 May 2019, 10:20
Ferdinand_otieno wrote: 17 May 2019, 09:33
Julius_ wrote: 17 May 2019, 08:53 No! Not at all. The book just provoke my thinking and reasonability. Or should i say it "proves my previous instincts right?" anyway i have a strong religious belief that cant be compromised by a single book.
Have you read the Hunger Games? That should at least change something within you.
Thanks for the recomendation. No, i haven't. May i know the author of the book?
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My answer to this question would have to be a resounding no. This book never once challenged my belief or faith, either in God or in the Bible. It did offend me on many points. The name-calling of prophets and apostles and of Jesus Himself, I found to be totally reprehensible. Misreading Judas was not very well-written as far as providing any concrete proofs or evidence and it seemed more like mad rants from an unhinged perspective than any kind of sober , or reflective presentation.
Gnostic writings have always been a bit of a problem when it comes to proofs, and this book certainly doesn't shine a good light on them either, in spite of the fact that the author tries to use them to back up his arguments.
His switching characters was a big problem for me.Jesus is James? Then...Judas is James? This book didn't challenge my faith, but it was a challenge to read because normally when I start a book like this I put it down after the first page. This one I finished and reviewed very carefully.Thanks for your question, this is a great conversation!
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I'm quite confident when I say that no book will be able to change my beliefs. It's fun visiting what others believe and seeing things from their point of view, even. There are so many rich cultures with cool takes on the supernatural and the afterlife, and the forms that different deities take can be awesome and beautiful. However, I am strictly not religious, though slightly spiritual, and I doubt anyone or anything could change that, especially a book no matter how entertaining or well-written.
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No it does not. I will always continue to search and question, but it doesn't change my basic beliefs.
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VernaVi wrote: 17 May 2019, 17:14 My answer to this question would have to be a resounding no. This book never once challenged my belief or faith, either in God or in the Bible. It did offend me on many points. The name-calling of prophets and apostles and of Jesus Himself, I found to be totally reprehensible. Misreading Judas was not very well-written as far as providing any concrete proofs or evidence and it seemed more like mad rants from an unhinged perspective than any kind of sober , or reflective presentation.
Gnostic writings have always been a bit of a problem when it comes to proofs, and this book certainly doesn't shine a good light on them either, in spite of the fact that the author tries to use them to back up his arguments.
His switching characters was a big problem for me.Jesus is James? Then...Judas is James? This book didn't challenge my faith, but it was a challenge to read because normally when I start a book like this I put it down after the first page. This one I finished and reviewed very carefully.Thanks for your question, this is a great conversation!
Well said. I noticed the confusion as well about Jesus and Judas, and definitely a challenge to read. At one point Wahler stated that Jesus was succeeding Judas as Master, and then a couple of lines later stated the opposite. Very confusing.
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Chrystal Oaks wrote: 17 May 2019, 21:44
VernaVi wrote: 17 May 2019, 17:14 My answer to this question would have to be a resounding no. This book never once challenged my belief or faith, either in God or in the Bible. It did offend me on many points. The name-calling of prophets and apostles and of Jesus Himself, I found to be totally reprehensible. Misreading Judas was not very well-written as far as providing any concrete proofs or evidence and it seemed more like mad rants from an unhinged perspective than any kind of sober , or reflective presentation.
Gnostic writings have always been a bit of a problem when it comes to proofs, and this book certainly doesn't shine a good light on them either, in spite of the fact that the author tries to use them to back up his arguments.
His switching characters was a big problem for me.Jesus is James? Then...Judas is James? This book didn't challenge my faith, but it was a challenge to read because normally when I start a book like this I put it down after the first page. This one I finished and reviewed very carefully.Thanks for your question, this is a great conversation!
Well said. I noticed the confusion as well about Jesus and Judas, and definitely a challenge to read. At one point Wahler stated that Jesus was succeeding Judas as Master, and then a couple of lines later stated the opposite. Very confusing.
:tiphat: I think the author got caught up trying to make a name for himself.
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Ferdinand_otieno wrote: 17 May 2019, 22:32
Chrystal Oaks wrote: 17 May 2019, 21:44
VernaVi wrote: 17 May 2019, 17:14 My answer to this question would have to be a resounding no. This book never once challenged my belief or faith, either in God or in the Bible. It did offend me on many points. The name-calling of prophets and apostles and of Jesus Himself, I found to be totally reprehensible. Misreading Judas was not very well-written as far as providing any concrete proofs or evidence and it seemed more like mad rants from an unhinged perspective than any kind of sober , or reflective presentation.
Gnostic writings have always been a bit of a problem when it comes to proofs, and this book certainly doesn't shine a good light on them either, in spite of the fact that the author tries to use them to back up his arguments.
His switching characters was a big problem for me.Jesus is James? Then...Judas is James? This book didn't challenge my faith, but it was a challenge to read because normally when I start a book like this I put it down after the first page. This one I finished and reviewed very carefully.Thanks for your question, this is a great conversation!
Well said. I noticed the confusion as well about Jesus and Judas, and definitely a challenge to read. At one point Wahler stated that Jesus was succeeding Judas as Master, and then a couple of lines later stated the opposite. Very confusing.
Thank you, I totally agree.
:tiphat: I think the author got caught up trying to make a name for himself.
Agreed.I believe the subject needed more research before the author began writing.
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Ferdinand_otieno wrote: 17 May 2019, 22:32
Chrystal Oaks wrote: 17 May 2019, 21:44
VernaVi wrote: 17 May 2019, 17:14 My answer to this question would have to be a resounding no. This book never once challenged my belief or faith, either in God or in the Bible. It did offend me on many points. The name-calling of prophets and apostles and of Jesus Himself, I found to be totally reprehensible. Misreading Judas was not very well-written as far as providing any concrete proofs or evidence and it seemed more like mad rants from an unhinged perspective than any kind of sober , or reflective presentation.
Gnostic writings have always been a bit of a problem when it comes to proofs, and this book certainly doesn't shine a good light on them either, in spite of the fact that the author tries to use them to back up his arguments.
His switching characters was a big problem for me.Jesus is James? Then...Judas is James? This book didn't challenge my faith, but it was a challenge to read because normally when I start a book like this I put it down after the first page. This one I finished and reviewed very carefully.Thanks for your question, this is a great conversation!
Well said. I noticed the confusion as well about Jesus and Judas, and definitely a challenge to read. At one point Wahler stated that Jesus was succeeding Judas as Master, and then a couple of lines later stated the opposite. Very confusing.
:tiphat: I think the author got caught up trying to make a name for himself.
Yeah. I hadn't thought about that; that makes sense. :eusa-think:
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As for me, reading comprehension is what you actually understand from the book and trying to have a knowledge of the author’s perspective. In this regard, I believe that a book and its contents might somehow influence you yet it doesn’t necessary change your religious belief and/or your faith. It will definitely gain you knowledge and you could learn from it.

Further, your religious belief and/or faith is actually associated to your relationship to Him and the people around you having the same belief
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Sabuwina wrote: 18 May 2019, 00:32 As for me, reading comprehension is what you actually understand from the book and trying to have a knowledge of the author’s perspective. In this regard, I believe that a book and its contents might somehow influence you yet it doesn’t necessary change your religious belief and/or your faith. It will definitely gain you knowledge and you could learn from it.

Further, your religious belief and/or faith is actually associated to your relationship to Him and the people around you having the same belief
I completely agree with your assessment.
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Ferdinand_otieno wrote: 12 May 2019, 21:22
Ak1412 wrote: 12 May 2019, 14:21
Ferdinand_otieno wrote: 10 May 2019, 20:12

That is strange considering that all reviews are somewhat biased.
I personally feel as though the thoughts of a review should be purely based on the work of the author and their abilities to form the story rather than swayed by how the book makes you feel regarding personal views you had previous to the book.
I was of the same opinion but that changed when I was removed from the review team for that exact reason.
Hmmm. That's interesting. I am sorry to hear that you are no longer a part of the review team.
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Ak1412 wrote: 18 May 2019, 20:52
Ferdinand_otieno wrote: 12 May 2019, 21:22
Ak1412 wrote: 12 May 2019, 14:21

I personally feel as though the thoughts of a review should be purely based on the work of the author and their abilities to form the story rather than swayed by how the book makes you feel regarding personal views you had previous to the book.
I was of the same opinion but that changed when I was removed from the review team for that exact reason.
Hmmm. That's interesting. I am sorry to hear that you are no longer a part of the review team.
Still do reviews, just not for OBC. You take who wants you and move on. :tiphat: :tiphat:
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Like almost everyone else on this forum, my religious beliefs were not changed by this book. I felt that the author did not support his arguments well, but I still admire his willingness to write this book while knowing that most readers don't want their religious beliefs changed.
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