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Giga51087 wrote: 22 Feb 2020, 11:50
Nym182 wrote: 06 Feb 2020, 15:28 One of the thoughts that kept occurring to me as I read this book was that Opaque would have been much better if it was not a YA book.

I dig gritty and dark books like anything by Bret Easton Elis or Stephen King, so when it turned as dark as it did I had mixed feelings. I enjoyed it but did not think that it fit in a YA book.

Between the darkness of Adam and the sexual undertones, I really think that Leigh-Reign would have made a much better book if she had leaned into the darkness. It would have made the strange sexual parts of the book less strange, especially if they were expanded on. I didn't like the scenes where Adam watches Carly wash or Carly's admittance that she wore socks to prevent stirring up Kane's foot fetish (what high schooler has a foot fetish?) in the context of a story about high schoolers.

Do you think writing it a YA book held the author back? Would you have preferred to read this as a sci-fi thriller?
I am in acord with you. I truly put in my rewiew that I consider this book missrated. It is a true and trougth R-18 Book. The book has sex, hijaking, intentional fire, murder, rape and stalking.
We are in times of higschool violence incidents. When a person comes to their schoolroom armed to the teeth, and kills off their cassmates becuse a lot of reasons, this book can be bad news.

We have to be carefull of Adam scion saga firsth book. It could be taken has a guide to the american sociopath. Im not telling to ban the book by all means. But it is true that we have the responsability of warning the people the risks of this book.

Untill Carly Adam is a jerk. And he is not a paria, is a top exponent of the higschool comunity. And a very important influence too. Is a top deportist, a martial artist and active memeber of the social circle of the higschool. Alas he wants to be alone beacuse think that the rest are mindless drones, not beacuse isolation or ostracism.

I am a martial artist and a sportsman to, and a true one dont think off people that way, or not in the rigthfull ones. So Adam has the mind of a sociopath, the body and the ability set of a higly trained sportsman and the social circle of a beloved student. It´s too rare to me. His thechers, companions or trainers, no one noticed it?

Lets put it simply. we have a edition work here. If we do not put the miss rate case we will have it in our tab. Opaque its a truly and trogth dark book. Sex apart, Adam mind it´s very dark at the begining of the plot. He is a true sociopath that attacks people at minimum provocation. Put it in an bullyng surronding and we have a explosive mix for a higschool student. This book missinterpreted can be a guide to hijjaking, to murder, and rape. It show you how can ressentment and pettyness can macerate and become a blistering pustule of arrogant selfconceith.
Nice point you made there. Not sure that it can serve as a guide to all anti-social activities, but is disturbing for sure.
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Katie Canedy wrote: 22 Feb 2020, 19:10 I think that the thoughts and actions in this book are too mature for a younger audience. I agree with you; Opaque is better classified as an adult book.
Yes, a young audience would definitely be uncomfortable reading this book.
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The fact that he touches strong themes such as eroticism, kidnapping, murder and others should already be classified as an adult book rather than science fiction.
If the author had written this book directly aimed at an adult audience, he would have more freedom to develop topics such as romance, even suspense, and horror.
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Readerjorge wrote: 23 Feb 2020, 07:23 The fact that he touches strong themes such as eroticism, kidnapping, murder and others should already be classified as an adult book rather than science fiction.
If the author had written this book directly aimed at an adult audience, he would have more freedom to develop topics such as romance, even suspense, and horror.
He could have thrown Adam into prison and let him see how many mindless drones are there.
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Nym182 wrote: 06 Feb 2020, 15:28 One of the thoughts that kept occurring to me as I read this book was that Opaque would have been much better if it was not a YA book.

I dig gritty and dark books like anything by Bret Easton Elis or Stephen King, so when it turned as dark as it did I had mixed feelings. I enjoyed it but did not think that it fit in a YA book.

Between the darkness of Adam and the sexual undertones, I really think that Leigh-Reign would have made a much better book if she had leaned into the darkness. It would have made the strange sexual parts of the book less strange, especially if they were expanded on. I didn't like the scenes where Adam watches Carly wash or Carly's admittance that she wore socks to prevent stirring up Kane's foot fetish (what high schooler has a foot fetish?) in the context of a story about high schoolers.

Do you think writing it a YA book held the author back? Would you have preferred to read this as a sci-fi thriller?
How interesting! I haven't read this book yet, but your insight got me intrigued :) Well, I would still prefer such themes to be explored in a YA book format.
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Yes, the book would have been much better suited as an adult book rather than YA. Some of the themes in the book would have been suited a scifi/thriller book. Also, some of themes could be potentially dangerous to younger readers especially the controlling relationship between the two main characters.
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Njkinny wrote: 21 Feb 2020, 11:59
Howlan wrote: 20 Feb 2020, 11:49
Nym182 wrote: 20 Feb 2020, 11:08

I also got uncomfortable with his darkness and I agree that the author was probably going for shock value. I don't mind so much that the young adults were dealing with "not so young adult scenarios", I just think the author went overboard with it.
Yes, if the author wanted to portray dark and twisted psychology he could have handled it in another way rather than showing Adam's sex den.
Totally agree with you. I get showing dark overtones but scenarios like these send out the wrong kind of message to the younger readers, considering this book is labelled in a category dealing with young readers.
I think it would have been a bit more acceptable if there was some sort of warning or something that would let the reader know that there would be mature material within the book.
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mishkaat wrote: 22 Feb 2020, 04:04 At the beginning there is so much darkness and that disturb even adults.
I agree... I am no stranger to dark and disturbing books, but I usually know beforehand that the book is going to be mature.
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S1234 wrote: 22 Feb 2020, 11:31 I agree, labelling it as a young adult book is misleading. It's a lot darker than expected. Not a bad thing but I can imagine readers being disappointed if they don't enjoy dark genres.
Exactly... If there was some sort of acknowledgment beforehand it would not have been so off-putting!
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S1234 wrote: 22 Feb 2020, 11:38 I was expecting something a lot lighter due to the YA label so I was disappointed. As a dark thriller, it's fine but not for those that are not interested in these themes. YA stories usually are not this intense. This kind of felt like a midsommar situation.
Yeah, I've read a good amount of YA books and I don't think I've ever seen read one that talks about incest...
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Giga51087 wrote: 22 Feb 2020, 11:50
Nym182 wrote: 06 Feb 2020, 15:28 One of the thoughts that kept occurring to me as I read this book was that Opaque would have been much better if it was not a YA book.

I dig gritty and dark books like anything by Bret Easton Elis or Stephen King, so when it turned as dark as it did I had mixed feelings. I enjoyed it but did not think that it fit in a YA book.

Between the darkness of Adam and the sexual undertones, I really think that Leigh-Reign would have made a much better book if she had leaned into the darkness. It would have made the strange sexual parts of the book less strange, especially if they were expanded on. I didn't like the scenes where Adam watches Carly wash or Carly's admittance that she wore socks to prevent stirring up Kane's foot fetish (what high schooler has a foot fetish?) in the context of a story about high schoolers.

Do you think writing it a YA book held the author back? Would you have preferred to read this as a sci-fi thriller?
I am in acord with you. I truly put in my rewiew that I consider this book missrated. It is a true and trougth R-18 Book. The book has sex, hijaking, intentional fire, murder, rape and stalking.
We are in times of higschool violence incidents. When a person comes to their schoolroom armed to the teeth, and kills off their cassmates becuse a lot of reasons, this book can be bad news.

We have to be carefull of Adam scion saga firsth book. It could be taken has a guide to the american sociopath. Im not telling to ban the book by all means. But it is true that we have the responsability of warning the people the risks of this book.

Untill Carly Adam is a jerk. And he is not a paria, is a top exponent of the higschool comunity. And a very important influence too. Is a top deportist, a martial artist and active memeber of the social circle of the higschool. Alas he wants to be alone beacuse think that the rest are mindless drones, not beacuse isolation or ostracism.

I am a martial artist and a sportsman to, and a true one dont think off people that way, or not in the rigthfull ones. So Adam has the mind of a sociopath, the body and the ability set of a higly trained sportsman and the social circle of a beloved student. It´s too rare to me. His thechers, companions or trainers, no one noticed it?

Lets put it simply. we have a edition work here. If we do not put the miss rate case we will have it in our tab. Opaque its a truly and trogth dark book. Sex apart, Adam mind it´s very dark at the begining of the plot. He is a true sociopath that attacks people at minimum provocation. Put it in an bullyng surronding and we have a explosive mix for a higschool student. This book missinterpreted can be a guide to hijjaking, to murder, and rape. It show you how can ressentment and pettyness can macerate and become a blistering pustule of arrogant selfconceith.
I agree with you wholeheartedly! The word "psychopath" crossed my mind more than once when thinking about Adam and you are right, we have a responsibility to not turn someone like that into a hero.

I have similar concerns that, albeit rare, the wrong person reads a book like this and have them feel justified in their feelings because Adam becomes a hero. And you make an interesting point that somehow none of the teachers or coaches picked up on Adam's redflags.
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Katie Canedy wrote: 22 Feb 2020, 19:10 I think that the thoughts and actions in this book are too mature for a younger audience. I agree with you; Opaque is better classified as an adult book.
At the very least rate warn the reader beforehand that it deals with such dark issues.
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Readerjorge wrote: 23 Feb 2020, 07:23 The fact that he touches strong themes such as eroticism, kidnapping, murder and others should already be classified as an adult book rather than science fiction.
If the author had written this book directly aimed at an adult audience, he would have more freedom to develop topics such as romance, even suspense, and horror.
Exactly! I think the author could have delved so much deeper into those topics had it been an adult book and change my opinion of it completely!
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Ellylion wrote: 23 Feb 2020, 13:57
Nym182 wrote: 06 Feb 2020, 15:28 One of the thoughts that kept occurring to me as I read this book was that Opaque would have been much better if it was not a YA book.

I dig gritty and dark books like anything by Bret Easton Elis or Stephen King, so when it turned as dark as it did I had mixed feelings. I enjoyed it but did not think that it fit in a YA book.

Between the darkness of Adam and the sexual undertones, I really think that Leigh-Reign would have made a much better book if she had leaned into the darkness. It would have made the strange sexual parts of the book less strange, especially if they were expanded on. I didn't like the scenes where Adam watches Carly wash or Carly's admittance that she wore socks to prevent stirring up Kane's foot fetish (what high schooler has a foot fetish?) in the context of a story about high schoolers.

Do you think writing it a YA book held the author back? Would you have preferred to read this as a sci-fi thriller?
How interesting! I haven't read this book yet, but your insight got me intrigued :) Well, I would still prefer such themes to be explored in a YA book format.
I'd be most interested in hearing your opinion on this book if you do give it a read... it was definitely an... interesting book to say the least!
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BlaqkViolette wrote: 23 Feb 2020, 16:12 Yes, the book would have been much better suited as an adult book rather than YA. Some of the themes in the book would have been suited a scifi/thriller book. Also, some of themes could be potentially dangerous to younger readers especially the controlling relationship between the two main characters.
I agree! Especially since Adam does some truly terrible thing and gets away with it scott free!
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