Do you question the existence of God?
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Re: Do you question the existence of God?
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So very true.ChloeHumphreys wrote:I am agnostic, so I constantly question both the existence and non-existence of God or Gods (or some kind of higher being and power) and religion. I think it is extremely important to do so to ensure you are truly following something because you believe and have faith in it.
-- 09 Jul 2017, 16:53 --
Also, if you are of a certain faith and wish to spread this and inspire people to believe as you do, you must question your own beliefs in order to strengthen them and prepare yourself for debate and intellectual defence of your religion!
-- 11 Jul 2017, 19:45 --
Khaya wrote:That's how I started thinking about it. That If God exists, the concept is more likely like a spirituality that we all share. Like we're the drops and God is the ocean. But he's not an independent spirit with his own mind.Alexander Oluwaseun wrote:I do believe God exists, not the way I have been thought to which is the principal reason for me doubting in the first place. So yeah God exists, God is in you, God is you, God is all of us
Le sigh.jimthorne2 wrote:Oh great! Now I am god. Sorry - reject.
At least you're very funny.
-- 11 Jul 2017, 23:23 --
So very true.Khaya wrote:ChloeHumphreys wrote:I am agnostic, so I constantly question both the existence and non-existence of God or Gods (or some kind of higher being and power) and religion. I think it is extremely important to do so to ensure you are truly following something because you believe and have faith in it.
-- 09 Jul 2017, 16:53 --
Also, if you are of a certain faith and wish to spread this and inspire people to believe as you do, you must question your own beliefs in order to strengthen them and prepare yourself for debate and intellectual defence of your religion!
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but here is my attempt to explain where I am at personally:---
>>> I grew up with actively Christian parents
--- in particular a "minister" father ---
to become what some would describe as an active Christian.
>>> I was engaged in evangelism.
>>> I worked a year as a Christian teacher(-cum-missionary) overseas - but not a good one.
>>> I changed some time after returning from my attempt at missionary work, perhaps mostly because...
(1) Data (recent "real-world" experience away and home) perhaps did not match
what I personally extrapolated to expect of the Universe from the Bible and other sources,
chiefly in the form of the classic "Question of Suffering":
***"Why do some effectively totally INNOCENT AND UNDESERVING human persons SUFFER TERRIBLY?"***
(In my case I perceived recent "antiserendipity" ---
God's apparent lack of provision / bad things happening at bad times - beyond my ability to cope -
e.g. despite me honestly seeking and, I believed, affirming that I was doing God's will in going overseas.
I would not call this suffering "terribly" on a comparative scale - but it was significant for me then!)
(2) I perceived that I - and probably others -
sometimes experienced "religo-spiritual" things &/or performed "religo-spiritual" acts
for bad reasons rooted not in truth, but mere psychology
(this included evangelising or largely self-generating feelings / thoughts including the inner "voice of God"
for pleasure and out of ego.)
-AND-
(3) Reasonably or not,
I consequently personally made the decision to only return to more active Christianity
after attaining significantly (more) reliable *empirical / intersubjectively verifiable* evidence
regarding the truth of its core claim
(that Jesus was actually fully man and God, died for our sins, and was raised from death by God the Father)
or the existence and nature of God
("Hello <insert name here!> I do exist and I am the Christian God!") ---
regardless of subjective psychological factors clouding issues and making me feel pulled in that direction.
I continue to desire and pray for such evidence -
indeed it seems such would be of both temporal and eternal import,
if it would have ramifications for an eternal existence beyond biological death.
I still wait.
>>> After my resolution detailed above, I mostly stopped attending what we formally call "church"
and have continued what some would describe as "fence-sitting" for about 15 fleeting years.
(And yes, this has been a position associated with significant negative emotions / thoughts and stress!)
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God did not create me, my parents did. God did not create my parents, their parents did. And so on and so forth down the line. I exist thanks to a common ancestor between humans and apes, not a fictional character who was written about 3,000 years ago.jimthorne2 wrote:Good thought - If you question the existence of God do you question your own existence?
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If God is a fictional character, what makes you a real character in a visible world?
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