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mariana90 wrote: 21 Sep 2019, 14:06
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esp1975 wrote: 01 Sep 2019, 16:14 I think what bothered me most about the harming of the wolf cubs, and the Game Keeper in general, was that there did not seem to be a point to his character. He was nothing but cruel, and his presence in the book did not add to the plot at all. He wasn't even made out to be a red herring. His continued job at the orphanage makes me not like the character of Dew Pellucid much either, because why would she tolerate that kind of sadistic behavior?
So the book's been noted for the similarities to the Harry Potter series right? This actually reminds me of an uncomfortable problem with this subgenre where the people in charge often keep employing rather cruel persons who are allowed near kids. The Game Keeper is rather reminiscent of Argus Filch in that way and it really bothers me how much he was willing to hurt Will's wolf.
But Argus Filch was harmless, other than helping put kids in detention. He was a frustrated man because he was a Squib, and I think it was Dumbledore's kindness that got him the job. The Game Keeper is in a completely different ballpark.
I would agree, to an extent. Filch was harmless, that's true, but it was due to Dumbledore's restrictions on what he could do. Had Umbridge been around much longer than she was, he was ready to torture students physically, much like the Game Keeper does to the animals here.
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I was uncomfortable when the Fate Sealers inflicted pain on Will and Peter for fun. It was so evil and they seemed so scary.
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mariana90 wrote: 21 Sep 2019, 14:06
Nisha Ward wrote: 02 Sep 2019, 04:05
esp1975 wrote: 01 Sep 2019, 16:14 I think what bothered me most about the harming of the wolf cubs, and the Game Keeper in general, was that there did not seem to be a point to his character. He was nothing but cruel, and his presence in the book did not add to the plot at all. He wasn't even made out to be a red herring. His continued job at the orphanage makes me not like the character of Dew Pellucid much either, because why would she tolerate that kind of sadistic behavior?
So the book's been noted for the similarities to the Harry Potter series right? This actually reminds me of an uncomfortable problem with this subgenre where the people in charge often keep employing rather cruel persons who are allowed near kids. The Game Keeper is rather reminiscent of Argus Filch in that way and it really bothers me how much he was willing to hurt Will's wolf.
But Argus Filch was harmless, other than helping put kids in detention. He was a frustrated man because he was a Squib, and I think it was Dumbledore's kindness that got him the job. The Game Keeper is in a completely different ballpark.
Didnt filch get a little crazy when umbridge took over? Like wanting to bring backthe torturous punishment? Despite that, yes, he wasn't as cruel as the game keeper in this book.
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LV2R wrote: 21 Sep 2019, 22:08 I was uncomfortable when the Fate Sealers inflicted pain on Will and Peter for fun. It was so evil and they seemed so scary.
As if they were playing with toys! Just shows how heartless they become
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Nisha Ward wrote: 21 Sep 2019, 19:26
mariana90 wrote: 21 Sep 2019, 14:06
Nisha Ward wrote: 02 Sep 2019, 04:05

So the book's been noted for the similarities to the Harry Potter series right? This actually reminds me of an uncomfortable problem with this subgenre where the people in charge often keep employing rather cruel persons who are allowed near kids. The Game Keeper is rather reminiscent of Argus Filch in that way and it really bothers me how much he was willing to hurt Will's wolf.
But Argus Filch was harmless, other than helping put kids in detention. He was a frustrated man because he was a Squib, and I think it was Dumbledore's kindness that got him the job. The Game Keeper is in a completely different ballpark.
I would agree, to an extent. Filch was harmless, that's true, but it was due to Dumbledore's restrictions on what he could do. Had Umbridge been around much longer than she was, he was ready to torture students physically, much like the Game Keeper does to the animals here.
I didnt see your response before I made mine, but that's what I had said! Filch went a little crazy when Umbridge took over. He was more than ready to bring back torture
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Kro92813 wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 08:33
Nisha Ward wrote: 21 Sep 2019, 19:26
mariana90 wrote: 21 Sep 2019, 14:06

But Argus Filch was harmless, other than helping put kids in detention. He was a frustrated man because he was a Squib, and I think it was Dumbledore's kindness that got him the job. The Game Keeper is in a completely different ballpark.
I would agree, to an extent. Filch was harmless, that's true, but it was due to Dumbledore's restrictions on what he could do. Had Umbridge been around much longer than she was, he was ready to torture students physically, much like the Game Keeper does to the animals here.
I didnt see your response before I made mine, but that's what I had said! Filch went a little crazy when Umbridge took over. He was more than ready to bring back torture
He was more than ready in CoS but never had a willing headmaster.
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Kro92813 wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 08:27
LV2R wrote: 21 Sep 2019, 22:08 I was uncomfortable when the Fate Sealers inflicted pain on Will and Peter for fun. It was so evil and they seemed so scary.
As if they were playing with toys! Just shows how heartless they become
They even laughed when someone exhibited pain or discomfort, which was very uncomfortable to deal with.
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Kro92813 wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 08:33
Nisha Ward wrote: 21 Sep 2019, 19:26
mariana90 wrote: 21 Sep 2019, 14:06

But Argus Filch was harmless, other than helping put kids in detention. He was a frustrated man because he was a Squib, and I think it was Dumbledore's kindness that got him the job. The Game Keeper is in a completely different ballpark.
I would agree, to an extent. Filch was harmless, that's true, but it was due to Dumbledore's restrictions on what he could do. Had Umbridge been around much longer than she was, he was ready to torture students physically, much like the Game Keeper does to the animals here.
I didnt see your response before I made mine, but that's what I had said! Filch went a little crazy when Umbridge took over. He was more than ready to bring back torture
Filch was exactly like the Game Keeper from the first book. It was Dumbldore and Minerva wo kept him in a kind of leash.
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LauraLeeWasHere wrote: 21 Sep 2019, 15:36 Often an author purposely is trying to make us feel "uncomfortable", but I found myself uncomfortable by the entire setting of the book. It feels like such a dark and strange place. From the environments to the strange characters.

Now I don't need to feel warm fuzzies throughout a story but if I'm going to be " weirded out" it better be worth it.
This certainly is an imaginative and fast pasted story but I don't know if the pay off is enough. If I'm going to feel uncomfortable so much I want it to be a fantastic story. And I don't think that's the case here.
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It definitly was a strange and wierd world Pellucid had created. I want uncomfortable the whole story (a lot of confusion though!)

I will agree it wasn't a fantastic story, bit it was a fairly decent one overall.
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Kro92813 wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 08:39
LauraLeeWasHere wrote: 21 Sep 2019, 15:36 Often an author purposely is trying to make us feel "uncomfortable", but I found myself uncomfortable by the entire setting of the book. It feels like such a dark and strange place. From the environments to the strange characters.

Now I don't need to feel warm fuzzies throughout a story but if I'm going to be " weirded out" it better be worth it.
This certainly is an imaginative and fast pasted story but I don't know if the pay off is enough. If I'm going to feel uncomfortable so much I want it to be a fantastic story. And I don't think that's the case here.
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It definitly was a strange and wierd world Pellucid had created. I want uncomfortable the whole story (a lot of confusion though!)

I will agree it wasn't a fantastic story, bit it was a fairly decent one overall.
I expected a certain level of discomfort in the book, every good book with a worthy antagonist has uncomfortable scenes. Pellucid did an amazing job in this book by ensuring the level of discomfort was perfectly tempered with the fantastic elements of Echoland, Olám Shoné, and the amazing characters.
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In Filch's defense, he was being constantly harassed by the students, especially by the Weasley twins. In his small and mean mind, he saw severe punishment as just retribution, not cruelty for the sake of it. He loved his Mrs. Norris, and I dare you to imagine the Game Keeper treating an animal as reverently as Filch did his cat.

It seems strange that I'm actually defending Filch lol. He was certainly not a favorite character of mind. But I kinda pity him, because he was a victim of bullying and harassment throughout his life.
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mariana90 wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 13:49 In Filch's defense, he was being constantly harassed by the students, especially by the Weasley twins. In his small and mean mind, he saw severe punishment as just retribution, not cruelty for the sake of it. He loved his Mrs. Norris, and I dare you to imagine the Game Keeper treating an animal as reverently as Filch did his cat.

It seems strange that I'm actually defending Filch lol. He was certainly not a favorite character of mind. But I kinda pity him, because he was a victim of bullying and harassment throughout his life.
This is a valid point! The game keeper was just evil and grumpy, but reminicient of filch in a way
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Kro92813 wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 16:22
mariana90 wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 13:49 In Filch's defense, he was being constantly harassed by the students, especially by the Weasley twins. In his small and mean mind, he saw severe punishment as just retribution, not cruelty for the sake of it. He loved his Mrs. Norris, and I dare you to imagine the Game Keeper treating an animal as reverently as Filch did his cat.

It seems strange that I'm actually defending Filch lol. He was certainly not a favorite character of mind. But I kinda pity him, because he was a victim of bullying and harassment throughout his life.
This is a valid point! The game keeper was just evil and grumpy, but reminicient of filch in a way
He may have been inspired by Filch, but in my humble opinion, they were very different characters. Love the fact that we all have different takes on him!
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mariana90 wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 13:49 In Filch's defense, he was being constantly harassed by the students, especially by the Weasley twins. In his small and mean mind, he saw severe punishment as just retribution, not cruelty for the sake of it. He loved his Mrs. Norris, and I dare you to imagine the Game Keeper treating an animal as reverently as Filch did his cat.

It seems strange that I'm actually defending Filch lol. He was certainly not a favorite character of mind. But I kinda pity him, because he was a victim of bullying and harassment throughout his life.
Speeaking of moments that make me uncomfortable, I am screenshooting you defendingFilch. I don't think anyone has ever taken such a stance.
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Kro92813 wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 16:22
mariana90 wrote: 22 Sep 2019, 13:49 In Filch's defense, he was being constantly harassed by the students, especially by the Weasley twins. In his small and mean mind, he saw severe punishment as just retribution, not cruelty for the sake of it. He loved his Mrs. Norris, and I dare you to imagine the Game Keeper treating an animal as reverently as Filch did his cat.

It seems strange that I'm actually defending Filch lol. He was certainly not a favorite character of mind. But I kinda pity him, because he was a victim of bullying and harassment throughout his life.
This is a valid point! The game keeper was just evil and grumpy, but reminicient of filch in a way
I felt like the Game Keeper went a little bit out of his way to make the reader uncomfortable and I hated his character throughout the book.
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